Power Levels

Your post deserves more thought - I didn't want that comment to be ninjaed =w=~

I personally really hate the idea of black holes being tossed about by Veigar regardless of its status as canon not only because he merely trained from random strong dark mages he found within one lifetime to gain such an ability but because of core concept of a black hole.

The only black holes that wouldn't almost instantaneously obliterate Runeterra are microblackholes which evaporate almost immediately. If Veigar actually summoned a black hole then everyone would just be dead and gone.
Dark matter is merely a hypothetical substance, but if used in the context of most games, fiction, and such is a highly volatile, generally overpowered substance that just gibs people.
An event horizons don't even make that much sense used in League context because it's not a playpen, but a boundary that doesn't so much stun as it is the outside observer merely sees as such because the actual person is now being sucked in so fast along with everything else (light inclusive) that they(the victim) appear frozen.

You could say that he's using magic to control the suction of the black hole and restrain it's size, but if you're at that kind of power then balloons would not be necessary to steal the mothership. Using the floating castle example with Syndra, if Veigar's level of power then the approach would simply be to levitate the mothership. Or, levitate Valoran, sans mothership. Either option is fine with that level of power.

I also don't particularly agree with Nasus/Renekton entering God tier (Although I agree with their presence at pretty much the top of the food chain) They were changed (I swear the old lore said they were gods of some kind) to merely being "part of a race of animalistic creatures that served as the rulers and protectors of the people." That kind of puts them on part with KaylexMorgana to some degree in that there are a lot of them - but they are merely the best and peak of their kind. (Which, actually, is still saying a lot!)





Also this. Renketon obliterated Nasus in a league match which has power restraints locked in place- Nasus was about to pwn Renekton in their home world (Albeit it was in the midst of a war, so anything could have happened). Maybe equal levels of power?

I think that, sans cosmic powers, Xerath should be stronger than Veigar if not purely by the notion that Xerath's power forced an ascension while Veigar remains yordle.

Xerath got pinned down eventually by what were once his peers- proving that although insanely strong he does have weakness. The story is rather similar to Nocturne's - like a prehistoric version; so perhaps I might have put him in the wrong tier. Tier lists are a bit strange because we don't really know the true power of summoners.

Xerath happens to be contained within a coffin that severely limits his powers IIRC, though. His peers constructed it as a prison. Xerath just managed to "dent" the prison enough to move around and cast stuff over milennia.

Good catch on Nasus and Renekton, I didn't realize Riot retconned their old lore (I swear it'd be nice if Riot documented these changes...). Regardless, they're still the crême de la crême.



In-game mechanics have nothing to do with "Lore mechanics", so please don't bring them up.

Aside from that, even if it worked like that, Veigar could itheoretically attain infinite power. In practice, however, he hasn't had the time for that.

Realize, however, that Veigar stole thousands of balloons (enough to lift the Mothership, which is pretty freaking huge).

He did this in, tops, one night. Assumming the balloons were packed in groups of 8 to 10 (like most balloons at the kind of gatherings these were stolen from do); the black holes must have been small enough to absorb the balloons, and nothing else.

So Veigar was not only capable of creating around 100 micro-black holes/wormholes/whateveryouname it; he was also capable of making the other end of these blackwormthingholes lead to him and (and this is the important part) he was capable of controlling the potency of all these black holes so that they sucked the balloons and only the balloons, and then closed them all immediately. That actually takes some magical skills and proper refinement of said skills.

Damnit. I really want to see this too now. Make sure to accompany it with the matching sound effects and have vlad convert their sprays of blood to score values drifting over their heads =w=